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		<title>by: Peter C</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=59#comment-1053</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:46:06 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>My feeling is that the dMac purchase part of a strategy to strengthen Google Local. Terrestrial radio makes about 70% of its revenue from local advertising. If the dMac helps Google identify and connect with sites that could also advertise on google local they pick up access to the one area where they're weak now. 

Strengthening Google Local also helps in the longer term as is is a source for more commercial destination (ad placements) for Google maps in anticipation of more prevasive mobile internet.

I doubt that they'd be interested in Arbitron, because they provide an alternate ad measurement system that's tied directly to performance instead of diaries etc. It seems to me that advertisers like performance based mechainism - at least if the move on-line is an indication. An alternative may be more likely.

In terms of Adwords on podcasts the issue is that until DRM is solved the market for podcasts to be deeply integrated into station programming is pretty small.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My feeling is that the dMac purchase part of a strategy to strengthen Google Local. Terrestrial radio makes about 70% of its revenue from local advertising. If the dMac helps Google identify and connect with sites that could also advertise on google local they pick up access to the one area where they&#8217;re weak now. </p>
	<p>Strengthening Google Local also helps in the longer term as is is a source for more commercial destination (ad placements) for Google maps in anticipation of more prevasive mobile internet.</p>
	<p>I doubt that they&#8217;d be interested in Arbitron, because they provide an alternate ad measurement system that&#8217;s tied directly to performance instead of diaries etc. It seems to me that advertisers like performance based mechainism - at least if the move on-line is an indication. An alternative may be more likely.</p>
	<p>In terms of Adwords on podcasts the issue is that until DRM is solved the market for podcasts to be deeply integrated into station programming is pretty small.
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		<title>by: Ben Rowe&#8217;s Blog &raquo; Podcasting: is there a business model?</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=43#comment-1051</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:52:59 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] started this blog). And there&amp;#8217;s also a huge increase in the number of podcasts too - some sources say that the number of podcasts is on its way to the one million mark. Inevitably, as the podcas [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] started this blog). And there&#8217;s also a huge increase in the number of podcasts too - some sources say that the number of podcasts is on its way to the one million mark. Inevitably, as the podcas [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: jpshea</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=57#comment-1027</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:56:41 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>What, two people read The Vat? ;)

OK, please let me continue the discussion - that's why we're here, and in some ways what I wanted to promote through the headline of this post. It wasn't so long ago that only a few moguls controlled rare things such as public spectrum and thus news and cultural agenda, so the very fact that citizens are having a discussion on personal media says a hell of a lot about what's at stake.

Let's address the broader issue of the industry, and then get to my comments on TPN (Cam's reply &lt;a href=&quot;http://reilly.typepad.com/cameronreilly/2006/01/motorola_ads_in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

First of all, I'm as red-blooded a capitalist as the next man. When it comes to advertising, I've already &lt;a href=&quot;http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt; that I can't get enough of it - when it's something I'm interested in. And if I don’t want it, there’s always the subscription model.

Because podcasting is evolving so quickly, it's important to devote some critical thought to the role of advertising. Advertising, when untargeted, is the fastest way lose the interest of the listener. We already have an established behaviour pattern in terrestrial commercial radio. Hear an ad? Skip to another station. It's so ingrained, that it's highly likely this behaviour will be transferred to podcasting, especially when there are so many different shows to listen to, and time is limited.

Because podcasting is so exquisitely personalised, it makes it so much harder to fit broader advertising objectives into tiny little slots.

Let's have a closer look at the TPN/Motorola creative. What was objective here? There is no call to action, I've never heard a specific handset model mentioned in an ad, nor any features that might make it relevant to podcast listeners.

And what about metrics? How useful has this campaign actually been for Motorola?

Why didn't they simply ditch money spent on the creatives, and get Cam to offer a cash-back deal (hopefully to international markets) on a handset? And how about a bit of seeding too (i.e. some give aways). This isn't rocket science after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What, two people read The Vat? ;)</p>
	<p>OK, please let me continue the discussion - that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re here, and in some ways what I wanted to promote through the headline of this post. It wasn&#8217;t so long ago that only a few moguls controlled rare things such as public spectrum and thus news and cultural agenda, so the very fact that citizens are having a discussion on personal media says a hell of a lot about what&#8217;s at stake.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s address the broader issue of the industry, and then get to my comments on TPN (Cam&#8217;s reply <a href="http://reilly.typepad.com/cameronreilly/2006/01/motorola_ads_in.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
	<p>First of all, I&#8217;m as red-blooded a capitalist as the next man. When it comes to advertising, I&#8217;ve already <a href="http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=4" rel="nofollow">said</a> that I can&#8217;t get enough of it - when it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m interested in. And if I don’t want it, there’s always the subscription model.</p>
	<p>Because podcasting is evolving so quickly, it&#8217;s important to devote some critical thought to the role of advertising. Advertising, when untargeted, is the fastest way lose the interest of the listener. We already have an established behaviour pattern in terrestrial commercial radio. Hear an ad? Skip to another station. It&#8217;s so ingrained, that it&#8217;s highly likely this behaviour will be transferred to podcasting, especially when there are so many different shows to listen to, and time is limited.</p>
	<p>Because podcasting is so exquisitely personalised, it makes it so much harder to fit broader advertising objectives into tiny little slots.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s have a closer look at the TPN/Motorola creative. What was objective here? There is no call to action, I&#8217;ve never heard a specific handset model mentioned in an ad, nor any features that might make it relevant to podcast listeners.</p>
	<p>And what about metrics? How useful has this campaign actually been for Motorola?</p>
	<p>Why didn&#8217;t they simply ditch money spent on the creatives, and get Cam to offer a cash-back deal (hopefully to international markets) on a handset? And how about a bit of seeding too (i.e. some give aways). This isn&#8217;t rocket science after all.
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		<title>by: swylie  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Advertising in new media</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=57#comment-1025</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:07:30 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] ads on commercial websites). 	Cameron Reilly recently posted a comment on his blog from ‘The Bitter Vat’, which criticized The Podcast Network for its advertising, describing their Motorola ads as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] ads on commercial websites). 	Cameron Reilly recently posted a comment on his blog from ‘The Bitter Vat’, which criticized The Podcast Network for its advertising, describing their Motorola ads as [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: The Bitter Vat  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Who Cares About Podcasting? ~ Distilling the best in Personal Media</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=43#comment-1020</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:52:51 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] rices? WiMax could ultimately unleash podcasting&amp;#8217;s real charge into the mainstream. 	Next-Generation podcast receivers are likely to stimulate further interest by lowering the cost of trying som [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] rices? WiMax could ultimately unleash podcasting&#8217;s real charge into the mainstream. 	Next-Generation podcast receivers are likely to stimulate further interest by lowering the cost of trying som [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ewan Spence</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=35#comment-251</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2005 23:01:02 -0600</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey thanks for the name check for TPN Rock: The Rock Show. For those of you reading and wondering what it is, here comes the marketing cut and paste... it's a 30 minute weekly show of unsigned, unknown and underappreciated bands on the planet, free to download, and it's generally posted every Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey thanks for the name check for TPN Rock: The Rock Show. For those of you reading and wondering what it is, here comes the marketing cut and paste&#8230; it&#8217;s a 30 minute weekly show of unsigned, unknown and underappreciated bands on the planet, free to download, and it&#8217;s generally posted every Friday.
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		<title>by: adie paul ingiona</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=30#comment-217</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:17:12 -0600</pubDate>
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					<description>i would love to be part of this real time internet open source broadcast media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i would love to be part of this real time internet open source broadcast media
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		<title>by: Cameron Reilly</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=6#comment-51</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:15:06 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>as for group laughs... Team America got as many as South Park. Gee, what did they have in common.... hmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>as for group laughs&#8230; Team America got as many as South Park. Gee, what did they have in common&#8230;. hmmm
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		<title>by: Cameron Reilly</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=20#comment-48</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:12:37 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>oh yeah baby. Branson can eat our dust. He's one of my heroes though. I wonder if TPN is something he's invest in.... hmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>oh yeah baby. Branson can eat our dust. He&#8217;s one of my heroes though. I wonder if TPN is something he&#8217;s invest in&#8230;. hmmm&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Neville Hobson</title>
		<link>http://bittervat.extrinia.com/?p=12#comment-9</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:31:11 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the mention!

Another example of how it's taking off is The Podcast Network (www.thepodcastnetwork.com), launched yesterday. Also, Adam Curry reporting yesterday that his ipodder site now has over 3,000 podcasts listed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the mention!</p>
	<p>Another example of how it&#8217;s taking off is The Podcast Network (www.thepodcastnetwork.com), launched yesterday. Also, Adam Curry reporting yesterday that his ipodder site now has over 3,000 podcasts listed.
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